Posts by Newly Enlightened

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Oh, wise one, answer me THIS!

by stillin in

i bought a large container of strawberries.

my daughter is disfellowshipped.

may i consider it "necessary family business" to give her some of them to share with my grandchildren?

Newly Enlightened

Stillin. Don't let a religion dictate to you what love and compassion you can show to your children.

Thomas doubted Jesus, but Jesus never shunned him. No, he patiently showed him the nail prints and knife mark. Peter denied Jesus 3 times! Then a few days later Jesus is giving him the keys to the kingdom.

Because of this religion my mom & siblings shunned my little brother because he was gay, even tho he was never baptized. He ended up committing suicide. How could a parent live with themselves after something like that? I couldn't bear it. Could they be held accountable for bloodguilt?

I don't know that is between them & Christ. But I wouldn't want to take that chance and lose my only kid.

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HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Newly Enlightened

Sorry ADCMS: I guess I should have asked you before we volunteered your services regarding the old literature.

But Jen2013 & Lost we should be able to get you almost any old literature you need.

Sweetie, you're right. The WT taught us too well because we now can also use their OWN literature against them.

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YHWH v YHVH - yes, V not W

by *lost* in

god's real name and identity yhvh.

yhwh - fraudulent identity.. .

can we all sue wt for evidenced fraud and deliberate deception ??

Newly Enlightened

I sa 14:12-14 NWT

2 “O how you have fallen from heaven, you shining one, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the earth, you who were disabling the nations! 13
As for you, you have said in your heart, ‘To the heavens I shall go up. Above the stars of God I shall lift up my throne, and I shall sit down upon the mountain of meeting, in the remotest parts of the north. 14 I shall go up above the high places of the clouds; I shall make myself resemble the Most High.’

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What to say if JW tells you the big A is coming very soon, Jehovah's day will come here like a thief? etc..

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

i like terry's topic about noah's day not being armageddon enough.

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Newly Enlightened

An elder in our congregation just used that on me a few months ago. I told him that I had been told that for 49 years now, i went thru the 1975 fiasco, I ain't buying it anymore.

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Maybeso

by MaybeSo in

im very sad, upset and disappointed all at the same time.

why couldnt i just stay away from this dam forum and live my life and blindly dedicated it to the borg.

now i know ttatt, i cant ignore all the facts and all the stories of the great people in this forum.

Newly Enlightened

Welcome Maybeso! We're glad you're here with us and know the 'real' truth now. I know it's difficult and there will be some rough times ahead, but like my daughter Gojira said, just take your time.

It does get easier.

Peace be with you on your journey.

NE

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Trying to handle my JW mom

by KatyMomof2 in

jw
friends

my mom is a recent widow.

she, being a jw does not have means to support herself and does not seek higher education ( because that would take from her studies ).

so, she is living ( sponging off of ) me.

Newly Enlightened

Welcome Katymomof2! Glad to have you here with us on this forum.

It's difficult when it's our parents and we've all been taught to respect them. But that works both ways. She has to respect you now as an adult and a mother yourself.

I had nightmares as a child because of my parents telling me about the demons and armeggeddon. So plese, protect your kids. It can have long-lasting damaging effects.

NE

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HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Newly Enlightened

Jen2013 & *Lost*: Those articles I listed are from the 2011 WT Lib CD. ADCMS is correct, the WT's are available back to 1950. There is also a Catholic Website that has preserved & scanned most of Russell & Rutherfraud's writings & books:

http://www.catholic-forum.com/members/popestleo/jwhistory.html

Welcome Jen2013, glad to have you here with us. If you have any questions or need any old literature, Don't call me Shirley or us, can try to help you.

A couple of experiences that I know of personally. My nephew's wife, before they were married. She was not baptized and the day she turned 18 her parents kicked her out. She had no job yet, no place to go. Thankfully since her & my nephew were already planning on getting married when she finished school they hurried and got married.

Another one: Hubby's cousin, was DF'd and seen her Mom in the mall and went up to hug her and say hi, but her mom pushed her away physically and said "You know the rules, you made the choice, now get out of my face"!

This org. does nothing but foster hatred and no tolerance, even for family members. And done allegedly in the name of God and love.

Our own JW family has not talked to us since Jan of this year. My little brother, who was never baptized but raised a JW, came out of the closet and was gay. My mother & siblings shunned him and he ended up committing suicide.

So, they may not actually put it in black & white, but it is inferred. But I also understand how the deaf community has difficulty understanding these rules, just like they don't understand sarcasm when communicating with the hearing because they cannot 'hear' the tone.

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HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Newly Enlightened

Black Sheep: Gojira's Dad & I were JW's for 45+ yrs each, so believe me, we do kind of know what we're talking about. So if you haven't read Ray Franz's book Crisis of Conscience pgs 357-377 I highly recommend it.

For having WT literature to back up what we say here it is:

WT 1980 9/15 pg 25:

NOT SHARING IN WICKED WORKS

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All faithful Christians need to take to heart the serious truth that God inspired John to write: “He that says a greeting to [an expelled sinner who is promoting an erroneous teaching or carrying on ungodly conduct] is a sharer in his wicked works.”—2 John 11.

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Many of Christendom’s commentators take exception to 2 John 11. They claim that it is ‘unchristian counsel, contrary to the spirit of our Lord,’ or that it encourages intolerance. Yet such sentiments emanate from religious organizations that do not apply God’s command to “remove the wicked man from among yourselves,” that seldom if ever expel even notorious wrongdoers from their churches. (1 Cor. 5:13) Their “tolerance” is unscriptural, unchristian.—Matt. 7:21-23; 25:24-30; John 8:44.

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But it is not wrong to be loyal to the righteous and just God of the Bible. He tells us that he will accept ‘in his holy mountain’ only those who walk faultlessly, practice righteousness and speak truth. (Ps. 15:1-5) If, though, a Christian were to throw in his lot with a wrongdoer who has been rejected by God and disfellowshiped, or has disassociated himself, that would be as much as saying ‘I do not want a place in God’s holy mountain either.’ If the elders saw him heading in that direction by regularly keeping company with a disfellowshiped person, they would lovingly and patiently try to help him to regain God’s view. (Matt. 18:18; Gal. 6:1) They would admonish him and, if necessary, ‘reprove him with severity.’ They want to help him remain ‘in God’s holy mountain.’ But if he will not cease to fellowship with the expelled person, he thus has made himself ‘a sharer (supporting or participating) in the wicked works’ and must be removed from the congregation, expelled.—Titus 1:13; Jude 22, 23; compare Numbers 16:26.

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YHWH v YHVH - yes, V not W

by *lost* in

god's real name and identity yhvh.

yhwh - fraudulent identity.. .

can we all sue wt for evidenced fraud and deliberate deception ??

Newly Enlightened

Thanks *Lost* quite a bit of research you've done. Keep up the good work.

I'm checking out the website you listed.

NE

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HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

Newly Enlightened

*Lost* you may find this one interesting.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_jehovah04.htm

In our Jewish Bible that we just bought, they pronounce the tetragrammaton as you did above.

This is an excerpt from the article above.

The Hebrew letters are named Yod-Heh-Waw-Heh: ????; note that Hebrew is written from right to left, rather than left to right as in English. In English it is written as YHWH, YHVH, or JHVH depending on the transliteration convention that is used. The Tetragrammaton was written in contrasting Paleo-Hebrew characters in some of the oldest surviving square Aramaic Hebrew texts, and it is speculated that it was, even at that period, read as Adonai, "My Lord", when encountered.